Relying on your ATM for emergency cash? Think again
G Venkatesh 12 June 2012

You may be nastily surprised that your ATM has run out of money when you really need it

On 12 June 2012, we went to Oriental Bank of Commerce at HAL III Stage, Bengaluru, at 8.15am to withdraw money from the ATM. The transaction was declined. We were surprised as this was a Tuesday and not a Monday when ATMs sometime run out cash. We hopped across to the Canara Bank ATM across the road and here also we faced the same situation. The transaction was declined. A Canara Bank staffer informed us that the banks had outsourced the entire process of uploading the cash in the ATM machines to a sub-contractor. This contractor hadn't done his duty of replenishing the ATM machine. What is the use of such ATMs? It is ironical that these are the banks that claim to be doing great business. You will be surprised to note that there are no standard operating instructions on how to use the ATM cards.

The ATM rooms were filled with scrap in both the banks. A senior citizen who followed us to withdraw cash at the Canara Bank was ATM was shocked when he got a SMS saying his account was debited though the transaction was declined by ATM. We pacified him and asked him to take a Photostat copy of the transaction slip in case it was needed for future correspondence with the bank. When will these nationalized banks improve?

When we called up the Canara Bank branch later, we were informed that both the branch manager and assistant manager were on leave and that the contractor who was supposed to have loaded the cash in the machine had not turned up. If someone needed cash urgently on a Monday morning, what would he do? Whenever banks talk about core banking solutions (CBS), we have to take it with a pinch of salt. Most nationalized banks have CBS as part of their strategy of-"We are also into CBS" but they have very little knowledge in case there is a problem with the technology.

I have seen bank officials in other banks (Indian Bank, for instance) personally uploading the cash in the ATM machine. Then what is prompting banks such as Canara Bank and OBC to outsource these activities? A few days back there were reports that ATM machines in Bengaluru were broken into and cash stolen by thieves. Point to be noted here is that both the ATMs are located exactly opposite each other do not have a security guard too.

What is the use of technology if it can't come to our aid at time of need? The branch executive in Canara Bank coolly asked us to write an email to the CMD. OBC's official opening hours are 10am but the staff breeze in only by 10.30am. We are sure what the response is going to be in from OBC too -a simple apology and asking us to a send an email to the customer service cell. Banks need to ponder over the fact that despite having the best technology at their disposal, they still have to deal with the human inefficiencies in their system while customers must think twice about blindly relying on ATMs. They may get badly stuck when they really need the money.

Comments
Mohandas
1 decade ago
It is all bogus as observed by you Veereshji. My friend, a big officer in railways, used to freely arrange EQ whenever requested by his near and dear. I have also enjoyed his patronage when some unexpected journey was to be undertaken. Unless the term VIP is defined, this malpractice will continue
param
Replied to Mohandas comment 1 decade ago
"freely arrange EQ whenever requested by his near and dear"
what about those who are not near & dear - is that still free or at a price???
Mohandas
Replied to param comment 1 decade ago
Param, my friend has since retired from railways. Or else I would have been in problem to give you an answer. However, I wrote this to point out that quite often the VIPs who enjoy EQ are ordinary people like me who are near and dear to some big officer of railways and hence the need to define VIP
param
Replied to Mohandas comment 1 decade ago
no offence meant to your friend. i'm sure most of the officials authorized to sign on HO quota earn enough not to make this into an income stream...
however, the fact is that it still stinks as one becomes VIP by association. EQ is meant for emergency, meaning people who have to travel at short notice left without a choice. but in reality a common man cannot approach an official to request EQ for this need (even if he had a telegram that his mom died). so end of the day, the HO quota is used by rly officials (perhaps 5%), their friends/family (another 10%), geunine EQ candidates who could find their way thru the red tape (perhaps 5%) and rest 80% gets auctioned to the travel agents who then 'claim' in the market that they can get a tkt confirmed at PREMIUM...
Mohandas
Replied to param comment 1 decade ago
Param, Percentages may vary but by and large I agree with you. I have noticed one thing - the poor do not know that something called EQ exists. They always travel by unreserved class
malq
Replied to Mohandas comment 1 decade ago
This news report on a Court Case on this subject may be of interest:-

http://www.newsreporter.in/advocate-move...

Triloki Bhatara
1 decade ago
India is a country still mired in license-quota raj. We need to get rid of ALL subsidies and reservations. Free education should be provided to all upto 12th std and after that everyone should stand in the General queue - for education, for jobs, for everything else. The gora rulers left and left behind the Maharajas...... the common man has to wake up.. its high time.
Triloki Bhatara
param
1 decade ago
perhaps the most hilarious one is the MLA/MP seat reservation in buses. i really wish i could see the day when an MLA or MP actually travels in the bus & utilizes that seat quota :)
nagesh kini
Replied to param comment 1 decade ago
Didn't PM Atal Bihari Vajpayee take a bus ride to Lahore ?
param
Replied to nagesh kini comment 1 decade ago
perhaps yes, but did he take the regular DTC bus (using his reserved seat) from home to office as well?
symbolic gestures are well - symbolic. when inspector is visiting, all schools are tidied up. what happens on regular basis is what matters...
malq
Replied to param comment 1 decade ago
DTC operates a fleet of MP specials - used to be Matador type vans, now they use Maruti Eeko and upwards, all AirCon, I think they are almost free . . . fare used to be 10 paise, no idea what it is anymore.
VIP Premi
1 decade ago
VIPs become VIPs because they are superior to others. If you were smart enough you would have also been living a high life, lording over the stupid, inferior people, instead of whining about the successful. It is just a case of sour grapes.
malq
Replied to VIP Premi comment 1 decade ago
Dear VIP Premi, thank you for writing in.
Get well soon. See you with a red mug. On your cycle. Soon?

rgds/VM
VIP Premi
Replied to malq comment 1 decade ago
Dear malq, I am unlikely to get well very soon with all those VIPs getting far ahead of me in the game. I am so upset. Would have been happy flaunting my environment friendly Porsche sports and DeltaAscend cycles, but this country doesn't have proper paths for them. Drop the conceit that you can change anything in the matter. People here are are too stupid to deserve anything better than being kicked around and have their noses rubbed in the ground by every petty VIP. Hope you see the light and join the race for VIPship yourself, even if it's in a small way. Regards.
sunder mahesh
Replied to VIP Premi comment 1 decade ago
what a load of crap.... if you really have shit loads of money and the porche and blah that you claim,
let me ask whether you have earned it legitimately.
If you have - then I still have a question for you. What are YOU doing for the country other then writing garbage on websites. If you read Moneylife you surely have seen their struggles to expose the bad and to work for the good. Why dont you join their effort or at least support it by throwing cash, which you are flaunting? Moneylife Foundation can save you some tax too ... its a not-for-profit.

Otherwise, you are part of the rot, so how dare you expect better.
Veeresh....THANK YOU FOR YOUR CRUSADE.. keep it up friend. There are many like us who want to clean up the system and get rid of VIPpremi scum!
Nagesh Kini
1 decade ago
Our so-called neta-babu and their ilk consider themselves to be self-styled VIP where they believe the I stands for Indispensible.
This practice needs to be thrown out lock, stock and barrel from all places - railways, airlines, traffic, even in permitting them to jump Qs .
The Raj era Order of Preference has also to be scrapped in its totality.

REST ASSURED ALL THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THE PARTIES WHO SIGN THE REVOCATION AS THE SAME ONES WHO ABUSE THE SYSTEM - WHY SHOULD THEY DENY THEMSELVES AND THOSE TO FOLLOW OF THE MANY HIDDEN BENEFITS KNOWINGLY?
malq
Replied to Nagesh Kini comment 1 decade ago
We can only keep trying!!

best/VM
prasadk
1 decade ago
Dear Shri Malik,

VIP/VVIP quotas need to be thrown out. In this instance, we should follow the example of the US and not of Britain, though i don't think Britain is anywhere close to India in this nonsense.

Going to the US is so refreshing because these VIP and VVIP pests just don't exist there! You could be sitting next to a Congressman or a Senator on a flight, and you wouldn't even know unless he/she mentions it. They stand in the same queues as everyone else, and pay the fare themselves. They pay tolls too! In the US, they will get laughed off their backside if they demand exemptions at toll junctions on account of being a VIP! (In fact, most people in the US don't recognize that term - VIP).

OK, the US President gets VIP treatment and probably some other very high ranking government position holders. But thats about it!

Contrast this with India. Every $hithead claims to be an VIP and gets freeloaded bus, train, toll exemptions. These people are pests. They need not be 1st in queue - in fact, they need to be LAST in queue, after the common man - arent' they here to serve us, after all?

This is exactly why Shah Rukh Khan gets riled at US airports. They don't give a rat's a$$ who he is! Contrast this with APJ Kalam - our ex-President - who does not mind being thru' security at US airports at all - but all his other colleagues get "hot under the collar"!!
malq
Replied to prasadk comment 1 decade ago
Dear Prasad K, thank you for writing in, and we can only keep trying to do our best.

Please help spread this article, especially to the regional media.

Warm regards/Veeresh Malik
param
1 decade ago
while you are right about the berths reserved for HO quota, the numbers are a bit off. besides GN quota, there are berths assigned for other quotas - lower berth (aged men/women), foreign tourist, handicapped, etc. for a traveler, the ordeal is that there is no clarity about allocation of these left over berths until chart preparation.
what we can do is perhaps insist that the HO quota option be made available for query in IR system - it used to be there & mysteriously disappeared a few months back (perhaps around the same time you started filing RTIs???).
malq
Replied to param comment 1 decade ago
Each and every quota is manipulated the moment the w/l kicks in, and I really really researched this subject for months with some inside help also.

The biggest issue is that "charting" is not done till 2-3 hours before departure of the train - so for somebody on the w/l, even if they were getting accomodated in the normal course of events due to unutilised quota or upgrade or extra coach, the fear/panic of being left behind pushes them into the hands of touts.

Deep subject, the logics behind quotas, and how they are being subverted. If there wwas only some transparency and some random external audit, a great change would take place.

AND fixed time charting, say 12 hours prior departure.

Thanks for writing in.

Regards/VM
pravsemilo
Replied to malq comment 1 decade ago
It is true that there is Quota for every category and you can check that at http://indiarailinfo.com/.

For the said train the break down of quota is like this
General 13
Tatkal 8
Foreign 2
Parliment 2
Lower 2
However it is still not clear where the rest of the seats are alloted.

Mr. Veeresh is also right in saying that quota system is manipulated when waiting list kicks in. This is done if you have sources. I know a certain person having a waiting list number below me got his seat confirmed against the lower berth quota. Reason being he was attending the marriage of high court's judge.

However the common man can take advantage of the lower berth quota if there is a waiting list. For every person of age 50 and above, if they are travelling alone, they can get a berth against the lower berth quota irrespective of the waiting list.

So if a old person and young person are travelling together, then book 2 separate tickets and you will get one confirmed ticket and other ticket with waitinglist. However there should be availablity agains the lower berth qouta for this to happen. You can check the above website for lower berth quota of your train. Also you have to book two separate ticket even if both the persons are above 50.

Off late - the above website is offering restricted information which they attribute to railways attitude in not allowing to spread information in a free and fair manner.
malq
Replied to pravsemilo comment 1 decade ago
Thank you for writing in.

Indrailinfo, indiamike and irfca offer valuable insights into how the railway booking engine logic is corrupted. I myself have been following this subject since inception.

On the Goa SK Express, for example, some quotas are held for wayside stations, but let us say of the first 13, 5 were for Panvel and 4 for Vadodara and 4 for Madgaon, then the 9 berths falling vacant en route, they don't come back to general.

The big ticket issue here is:-

1) The whole VVIP/VIP thing.
2) Lack of transparency and audit.

I don't blame the railways alone either. Take a look at what the Privileges Committee of India's Parliament did to the Chairman of the Railway Board here:-

http://164.100.24.208/ls/CommitteeR/Priv...

rgds/VM
param
Replied to malq comment 1 decade ago
the article was very refreshing. it was interesting to see how the VIP felt the pinch (like aam aadmi) when some VVIP came along :)
param
Replied to pravsemilo comment 1 decade ago
"For every person of age 50 and above" - this is misleading - it should be male of 60 & above and female of 45 & above
A Kumar
1 decade ago
While there seem to be some restraints attached to Red lights on Cars, the fleet footed ones have gone to the next more. There is a surprising surge in number of cars and jeeps with blue lights on the roof. Many of these are privately owned. They follow the footsteps of their red-lighted cousins- jump traffic lights, force other cars ahead to give side, intimidate traffic staff and the likes.
Wonder which colour will it be next?
malq
Replied to A Kumar comment 1 decade ago
Thank you for writing in.

We need to be alert about such things, and escalate them - which city/state were you referring to please?

Humbly submitted/VM
a KUMAR
Replied to malq comment 1 decade ago
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