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Why two loyalists of Obama lost their health policies

Lack of kids' dental benefits, other coverage gaps help "tank" couple's Kaiser Permanente insurance plan - but so did contracts with California's health insurance exchange

Kaiser Permanente’s decision to cancel the insurance policies of lifelong Democrats Lee Hammack and JoEllen Brothers generated a flood of interest yesterday. The couple, supporters of President Obama, may have to spend twice as much next year for a health insurance plan that has fewer benefits than the plan they have.
 

Kaiser explained to them, and to me, that their plan didn’t meet the requirements of the Affordable Care Act and therefore had to be cancelled. But how could it be, many readers wondered, that the seemingly inferior plan offered for next year met the requirements of the act while the richer one they currently have does not?
 

I spent hours yesterday trying to figure that out and in the process came upon a related dispute between California’s insurance commissioner and the state’s new health insurance marketplace over these cancellations.
 

Here’s what I learned:
 

First, President Obama’s now-infamous pledge that those who liked their health plan could keep it applied only to people enrolled in those plans as of the day the Affordable Care Act was signed into law, March 23, 2010. That became known as the “grandfather” clause.
 

Hammack, a San Francisco architect, and Brothers have been members of Kaiser Permanente since 1995, but they’ve only been enrolled in this particular plan since January 2011. So they do not qualify for the grandfather protection. (Even if they did, Politifact has labelled the pledge “pants on fire.”)
 

Next, and more importantly, the benefits their plan offered didn’t fully comply with the Affordable Care Act.
 

It did not cover dependents in the manner set out by the law, and it did not cover pediatric dental and vision services, as well as “habilitative services,” which includes speech, occupational therapy and physical therapy.
 

“We did not cover these services in 2013,” Kaiser spokesman Chris Stenrud wrote in an email. “Pediatric dental and vision obviously do not apply to this couple, but it is one benefit package, regardless of age.”
 

These seemed like pretty minor points. Is this really enough to tank this plan? I asked Ken Wood, senior adviser for products, marketing and health plan relations for Covered California, the state’s health insurance marketplace.
 

“Any tiny point tanks the plan,” he told me last night. “If it was just the pediatric dental, that alone would say it’s a noncompliant plan.”
 

There was a bigger issue, too. The plan was medically underwritten, meaning that it carefully chose members based on their health status. The Affordable Care Act eliminates such screening and requires that insurers take all comers. “Because their current insurance pool is comprised of healthier people who use fewer medical services, the premium level needed to pay for those services is also less,” Stenrud wrote.
 

Put another way, Hammack and Brothers are casualties of an insurance system in transition. Until now, insurance companies could pick and choose which consumers to accept and reject. People were forced to pay different amounts based on their age and health status.
 

The new system created by the Affordable Care Act does not allow plans to turn away people with pre-existing conditions or charge them more. As a result, sick people previously denied coverage and healthy people who currently have insurance will pay the same.
 

That makes health care more affordable for many, but less affordable for some.
 

But there was something else at play. Stenrud noted that Kaiser’s contract with Covered California requires that insurers doing business on the exchange cancel existing contracts at the end of this year -- rather than renew them -- if they don’t meet the requirements of the act.
 

“We shared Covered California’s view that most consumers would benefit from lower premiums and greater stability in the exchange if we all agreed to forgo early renewals in the individual market,” Stenrud wrote.
 

For more explanation of what’s going on, I called the California Department of Insurance. The agency earlier this week forced Blue Shield of California to extend the cancelled health policies of 115,000 members for three months because the insurer did not give them proper notice.
 

Janice Rocco, the department’s deputy commissioner for health policy and reform, said she anticipates that by year’s end, between 900,000 and 1 million Californians will see their individual health insurance policies canceled.
 

But it didn’t have to be this way, she said.
 

Wait, what?
 

It’s not the act, but the arrangement between insurers and Covered California that mandated the cancellations right now.
 

While the Affordable Care Act aims to improve the quality of insurance plans offered, she said, it does not require that insurers cancel all of their contracts at the end of this year. In other states, she noted, consumers are able to keep their policies until they expire in 2014, giving more time to make thoughtful choices.
 

Insurers, including Kaiser and Blue Shield, wanted the California Legislature to require that all existing individual contracts expire at the end of this year, Rocco said. That could give them a marketing edge because of their size and the short window to make choices, she said. But her department opposed it, and lawmakers didn’t go along.
 

The insurers were more successful with Covered California, which adopted the requirement, Rocco said.
 

“People who did the right thing, played by the rules, were responsible and had health insurance coverage are being forced out of their policies on December 31 by most of the health insurers in this state. This is not required by state or federal law,” Rocco said.
 

“People without insurance today will have until March 31 to choose which product is best for them,” she said, noting the end of the 2014 open enrolment period.
 

Covered California defended its requirement.
 

“It has always been one of our stated goals to try to start on a level playing field in 2014 and start out the new year with a single risk pool,” meaning a melding of young and old, sick and healthy, said Anne Gonzales, a spokeswoman for the exchange.
 

Gonzales acknowledged that there will be winners and losers in this transition. “There are going to be people out there that are going to find that their premiums are about the same, some are going to have them go up, some are going to have them go down,” Gonzales said.
 

Of the 900,000 or so people whose policies are being cancelled in California, she said, about 310,000 will qualify for financial assistance, in the form of premium subsidies, which will lower the cost of coverage. The rest will not.
 

“The flip side is 32 million people [in California] will be keeping their plans, and 4 million people will get plans that they couldn’t afford to buy before this reform,” she said.
 

Wood said the situation facing Hammack and Brothers is “unique in my experience” and that the rate they have been paying is more akin to rates for people in their 20s. Hammack is 60; Brothers, 59.
 

Together, they pay $550 a month now and could pay up to $1,300 a month after Jan. 1. “At their respective ages, a more typical rate would be $550 each,” Wood said.
 

Hammack told me that he doesn’t know what he’s going to do. He makes slightly more than 400 percent of the federal poverty level — $62,000 for a couple — which means he isn’t eligible for premium subsidies. But he’s considering reducing his income below that level, which would reduce his premiums substantially.
 

Wood says that’s smart. If Hammack is able to get his income at or below $62,000, he stands to save $10,740, Wood told me in an email.
 

“Just as people think about the tax consequences of home ownership and retirement savings, I think health care will now become another area where the middle class will need to think about the tax implications of purchasing individual health insurance,” he said.
 

Has your insurance been cancelled? Have you tried signing up for coverage through the new exchanges? Help us cover the Affordable Care Act by sharing your insurance story.
 

Courtesy: ProPublica.org

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Need to resolve Indo-Iran imbroglio without further delay

Due to tightening of the foreign exchange situation in India, Iran decided not to accept more than 45% of the money in Indian rupees. The shipment has come down to 194,000 barrels per day of Iranian crude oil as against 324,000 barrels per day last year

Imports of Iranian crude, during 2011-12 amounted to 18.1 million tonnes (mt), which, during 2012-13 came down to 13.1 mt due to sanctions imposed on Teheran by the US and the European Union.

 

In order to meet our needs and to overcome the sanctions, Iran had agreed to receive its payments for oil in rupees which was credited to its account in UCO (United Commercial Bank) at Kolkata, upto 45% of its value and the balance paid in foreign currency through Halbank in Ankara, Turkey, in Euros. It may be recalled that petroleum minister Veerappa Moily had proposed that by importing Iranian crude and paying for it wholly in rupee account would have saved $8.5 billion for India.

 

Even this arrangement was plagued by the problem involving insurance coverage, and the proposal to set up an oil insurance pool fund, valued at Rs2,000 crore, has been collecting dust due to bureaucratic bungling. The Petroleum Ministry was to make a Rs1,000 crore contribution to the fund and the balance from General Insurance Corporation (GIC).

 

So far, even the first instalment, promised for Rs500 crore from Petroleum Ministry has not been received and the Finance Ministry is waiting for the same.

 

After the last Euros payment was recovered in February this year, Iran agreed to take the entire payment for crude in rupees to be credited it to the IRNOC (Iranian National Oil Company) account in UCO Bank. But, due to tightening of the foreign exchange situation, Iran decided not to accept more than 45% in rupees.

 

As the stalemate continues, the shipment has come down to 194,000 barrels per day as against 324,000 last year, before the sanctions were strictly enforced.

 

MRPL (Mangalore Refinery & Petroleum Ltd) has been the largest recipient of crude from Iran, where phase III of expansion plan is nearing completion. From the current processing capacity of 12 metric tonnes per annum (mtpa), MRPL will be able to handle 15 mtpa but this uncertainty looming large, arrangements have been made to obtain crude from Iraq, Venezuela and Oman. So far, 2 mtpa have been received from Iran and it is hoped that for the year 2013-14, India may still be able to obtain 13 mtpa from Iran.

 

The MRPL expansion in the next few months will be able to process cheaper heavier crude oil into high value end products. If we digress for a moment, this means, for those investing now in MRPL, at the current market price of Rs40 per share there are prospects for better returns in the months ahead.

 

Although Iran has declined to accept 100% payment in rupees for crude oil supplies to India and insisting on payment of 55% in free foreign exchange, to overcome US sanctions, is in India's interest to send a high-powered trade delegation to Iran to sort out this difficult and important issue.

 

There is no doubt that US sanctions, supported by European Union, are affecting Iran. India is under obligation to comply with UN sanctions only. If we tow the US line, it is due to political expediency rather than compulsion.

 

Why not, we turn around and demand from US that they compensate us for the loss of Iranian crude? This first round waiver, which also affects Japan and China, which depend heavily upon Iranian supplies, expires by the end of December, by which time, all the three are supposed to gradually reduce their dependence upon Iran. It is therefore, in our interest to watch what China and Japan propose to do when this deadline expires in December. Why not try to work out a joint strategy with them to tackle this issue?

 

As we start to resolve this issue, with a few weeks to go, what needs to be done immediately is to ensure insurance cover for the cargo that needs to come. Without the cover, Indian refineries cannot take the risk of getting Iranian crude, lest the tankers are subject unilateral military action, or are being even hijacked on the high seas? Both of these actions are unlikely, but we need to find a workable solution to get the Iranian crude. With the thawing of US-Iran relations, as a sequel to Iranian president's overtures to USA, it is possible that an amicable solution may be worked out.

 

(AK Ramdas has worked with the Engineering Export Promotion Council of the ministry of commerce. He was also associated with various committees of the Council. His international career took him to places like Beirut, Kuwait and Dubai at a time when these were small trading outposts; and later to the US.)

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captainjohann

3 years ago

The US and P5 plus one are talking and they are close to a deal and we suck our thumbs.We show in this we are not an Independent nation with its own self interest.The Indian foreign office is now functioning as an appendage of US embassy.We have been sermonized by USA not to trade with Myanmar and now they are the biggest investors there.USA and Saudi arabia have their own world view and we must look after our National interest.

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shadi katyal

In Reply to captainjohann 3 years ago

Well we have tried our policies in the past and learned nothing. A nation with power both economics and military can take part in world arena?
It is this kind of thinking that has led the nation to this stage. No investments, no industry, dependence on West for arms and yet big talk.USA did not stop any India involvement in Burma but it is our own policy that is Anti India. Look at Common Wealth meeting at Colombo and PM being pressured not to attend.
We have to grow up and open our eyes to the reality of true world and not our own myths.
China's progress should have opened our eyes and minds but we go on our own anti west tune and look where we stand today?

shadi katyal

3 years ago

It is an interesting article but ignores that sanctions by USA and Europe are the reason that Iran who is in Financial squeeze had agreed for Rupee payment and if such squeeze continue, Iran will have to agree for such agreement.
One should ask the writer that while USA has allowed India to buy Oil from Iran, why would she not sanction complete ban instead of subsidizing India?
Is this the can of worms we wish to open???
We must think about our own welfare and not get involved with kind of anti USA/WEST thinking

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Moneylife Impact: SEBI issues show cause notice to HSBC for cheating Suchitra Krishnamoorthi

Market regulator Securities and Exchange Board of India (SEBI) has issued a show cause notice to HSBC for allegedly using fraudulent and unfair trade practices with its client, singer and actor Suchitra Krishnamoorthi. This case was first exposed by Moneylife way back in April in 2012

In a strongly-worded notice issued by the market regulator, the Securities and Exchange Board of India (SEBI) on 1st November has asked Hong Kong and Shanghai Banking Corporation (HSBC) to explain why its acts in handling the portfolio of Suchitra Krishnamoorthi are not in violation of its regulations governing fraudulent and unfair trade practices and violation of the code of conduct governing mutual fund distributors. After an extensive investigation of her complaint, SEBI found out that:

 

  • There was excessive churning in the portfolio of the complainant as per details of all the mutual fund transaction carried out for the complainant by HSBC. The complainant’s money had been invested in 38 different schemes of mutual funds.
  • A large number of the investments made in Mutual Fund Schemes have been redeemed in short span of time and redemption proceeds have been used to again invest in other Mutual Fund Schemes, some of which appear to be similar to the schemes redeemed.
  • The Mutual Fund Portfolio of the Complaint was churned multiple times and it is alleged that the only plausible reason for this churning of portfolio could be to earn more commissions.
  • The total commissions/charges earned by HSBC against transactions in the name of the complaint was Rs27.93 lakh
  • It is seen from capital gains statement for the account of the complaint as submitted by HSBC that a large number of investments were for relatively shorter periods which are difficult to comprehended considering the risk profile of the complainant.
  • The investments have been made in balanced funds, which was not in line with the risk profile of the complainant.
  • Therefore, it is alleged that you have not acted in the interest of the complainants and the investments made by you on behalf of the complainant’s portfolio.
  • Further, this practise exercised by you is deceitful so as to induce excessive churning in the complainant’s portfolio and the same can be categorised as fraudulent and unfair practice on the complainant who had entrusted HSBC with her money.

 

SEBI argues that this is in violation of SEBI (Prohibition of Fraudulent and Unfair Trade Practices relating to Securities Market) Regulations, 2003 and SEBI circular MFD/CIR/06/210/2002 dated 26 June 2002 prescribed under Regulation 77 of the SEBI(Mutual Funds) Regulations, 1996 read with Clauses 1,9 and 13 of the Code of Conduct of Intermediaries of Mutual Funds.

 

Warning HSBC of a strong action, including but not limited to barring the lender from markets, SEBI called upon the Bank “to show cause as to why suitable directions under sections 11, 11(4) and 11B of the SEBI Act, 1992 read with regulation 11 of SEBI (Prohibition of Fraudulent and Unfair Trade Practices relating to Securities Market) Regulations, 2003 should not be passed against you for the violations specified above, which may include but not limited to disgorgement of the commission earned by you from the complainant while executing transactions in her name, directing all the fund houses not to allow you to act as a mutual fund distributor for their funds, debarring you from accessing the securities market and prohibiting you from buying, selling or otherwise dealing in securities for an appropriate period of time and/or any suitable direction deem fit by the Board in the facts and circumstances of this case under the aforesaid provisions.”

 

As Moneylife reported in April 2012, Ms Krishnamoorthi, a well-known singer and actor, was taken for a ride by HSBC Bank for over five years by promising an extravagant assured return of 24% from mutual funds as well as insurance.

 

Whenever she complained about losses in her account, the standard reply from HSBC Bank was that the relationship manager has been fired and that the bank will make up for the losses with judicious investments. Needless to say, the losses were never made good. The one-way road for the customer was downhill. If a well-known celebrity could be cheated with such impunity, it is surely happening routinely with others.

 

The modus operandi for HSBC in this case had been a combination of toxic churning of the portfolio management system (2% entry load on every purchase made by it on behalf of client), insurance products promising 24% returns, insisting on her taking a loan instead of withdrawing funds without even disclosing that the client was entitled for a smart loan.

 

The officers of HSBC Bank also informed her that “portfolio management is one of the prime businesses of HSBC Bank other than banking” and assured her “a minimum of 24% pa return” on her investments. However, following her complaint to the officials of the bank, she said that “HSBC Bank now claims that they have not acted as portfolio managers but merely advised me on the management of my wealth.”

 

Ms Krishnmoorthi refutes this saying, “This is a false claim as they have clearly performed the duties of portfolio managers as stated by law and as per the power of attorney obtained from me in 2004.”

 

Moneylife reviewed Ms Krishnamoorthi’s mutual fund transactions and found massive malpractices by HSBC

 

     Her mutual fund portfolio was continuously churned resulting in high transaction costs in the form of entry loads and exit loads. While several transactions led to huge losses for her, HSBC was the gainer of commissions.

    

    Out of the 75 transactions made, nearly 60% of the transactions were in equity schemes kept for a period less than one year. Here investments were made in schemes like HSBC India Opportunity Fund and HSBC Mid-cap Equity Fund, both of which have been underperformers. Apart from these, majority of the investments were made in balanced schemes of HDFC Mutual Fund, ICICI Mutual Fund and Sundaram Mutual Fund.

    

    The worst part of the transactions came around the market peak in November 2007 where nearly Rs3 crore was invested across five schemes on a single day which included over Rs1.67 crore invested in three sector schemes—ICICI Prudential Infrastructure Fund, Sundaram CAPEX Opportunities and Reliance Diversified Power Sector. Nearly Rs50 lakh was invested in Sundaram CAPEX Opportunities which has a current corpus Rs200 crore.

    

    The investments from all sector schemes were withdrawn between June and August 2010 at a loss of nearly Rs40 lakh, almost half her initial investment. The schemes from ICICI Mutual Fund and Sundaram Mutual Fund went down by nearly 50%. The other schemes were also withdrawn at a value 15%-30% lower resulting in a total loss of Rs86 lakh. These schemes included JP Morgan India Equity Fund (a poorly-performing scheme) and IDFC Premier Equity Fund.

    

   Surprisingly, in the whole portfolio there was not a single debt scheme and just one liquid scheme— HSBC Cash Fund. Ironically, commissions paid on debt schemes and liquid schemes are much lower.

    

    Ms Krishnamoorthi says an entry load amounting to over Rs29 lakh was deducted from her investments. If the bank had opted to only invest her amount of Rs3.60 crore in performing equity schemes for the long term, without any further buying or selling, the entry load of 2% at that time would have worked out to just Rs7.20 lakh.

 

The end result after five years was Rs83 lakh—direct loss from investment, about Rs28 lakh in commission to HSBC, Rs8 lakh (50% of investment) lost from an insurance policy, Rs10 lakh (again, 50% of investment) valuation decline in insurance policy still in force, Rs4.5 lakh tax paid on redemption of short-term mutual funds (including Rs1.85 lakh penalty to the Income Tax department due to non-disclosure of gain by HSBC to the client) and Rs58 lakh interest on home loan earned by the bank.

 

When Ms Krishnamoorthi wished to surrender her insurance policies, HSBC refused to act for her by contending that they no longer had any tie-up with Tata AIG and that it was not their business to get client’s money back that they had recommended in the first place.

 

“It took my chartered accountant six months to authenticate the figures of losses—as not only was the HSBC team adept at covering its paper trail. They also very conveniently refused/ evaded furnishing me the documents to which I am legally entitled for over a year—giving me one silly excuse after another like mismatch of signature/officers being on leave,” she told Moneylife.

 

Unfortunately, in several such cases, banks tend to get away scot-free because the consumer is conned into signing a number of documents based on misplaced trust in their bankers. For instance when Ms Krishnamoorthi took her issue up with the Banking Ombudsman, the bank replied stating that she had signed on all the letter of instructions (LoIs) to carry out the transactions in her account. The manner in which bank officials discharge their fiduciary duties was not even taken into account.

 

On 18 April 2013 Moneylife Foundation had presented a memorandum to RBI Governor  on unchecked mis-selling by bank relationship managers. It says, “Banks’ relationship managers have been particularly brazen in recommending financial products to their customers while completely disregarding their financial situation. It is commonplace to hear of a senior citizen being conned into investing in a mutual fund, unit-linked insurance plan or a hybrid-derivative product on the promise of higher returns. In many cases, private bank executives go over to their homes and persuade them to break secure fixed deposits and invest the money in Unit Linked Insurance Products (ULIPs) with the false assurance that these are as safe as fixed deposits and offer a higher return and security.”

 

You may also want to read…
 

HSBC loots Suchitra Krishnamoorthi after big promises of 24% returns

 

Did HSBC Bank resort to toxic churning and illegitimate transactions to earn commissions?

 

SEBI’s warped ideas about PMS data disclosure

 

RBI reviewing guidelines on mis-selling by banks in wealth management services

 

“Banks should not be selling third-party products,” RBI deputy governor

 

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Ayyappan Thangavel

2 years ago

iam one of the customers who trusted hsbc and convinced to invest in TATA AIG.I had not even been informed by hsbc that their relation with tata aig is over.I was met by tata aig person who conveyed the news to me.when i contacted hsbc they feigned ignorance and was met by several officers but nothing has happened till now.Iam still trying to get justice.How do i proceed

Ayyappan Thangavel

2 years ago

iam one of the customers who trusted hsbc and convinced to invest in TATA AIG.I had not even been informed by hsbc that their relation with tata aig is over.I was met by tata aig person who conveyed the news to me.when i contacted hsbc they feigned ignorance and was met by several officers but nothing has happened till now.Iam still trying to get justice.How do i proceed

SrinivasanTS

3 years ago

If you see the history of any reports of misselling,by and large the cases were from so called financial institutions who have exploited the "banking relationships" and invaded the privacy( financial space & resources available) by virtue of knowing the balances in the bank accounts of the gullible investors.
Therefore when an account is lying idle or when the Bank Account holder goes in for a working capital requirement as a sort of quid pro quo subtly demands their other services ( other than the Core Banking)be utilised.

This has resulted in what?

Few acts of lack of fiduciary responsibility by these kind of institutions have penalized the ever hard working IFA community, who are solely focused on the retail investor and also faced the brunt of questions from existing and prospective customers.

Whatever being told by the practitioners of Management ,"stick to your core competency" perhaps is not being followed by some or most bank whose core competency is CASA Management.

In comes the Regulators who make amendments in the name of protection of consumers which in turn make the professional engagement that much more difficult all the follies committed elsewhere.

Hats off to all IFA`S ,inspite of all the above kind of situations are working against odds and still making the Client -IFA RELATIONSHIPS more meaningful.

Regards,

SrinivasanTS-CFP

Rajagopal

3 years ago

In the first place, it is not clear why AMCs are allowed to act as distributors for other AMCs. It gives an impression that they are not in a position to devise Schemes of their own or that their existing Schemes are not doing well. Either way I feel SEBI should disallow AMCs to distribute other AMCs Schemes.

Vikas Gupta

3 years ago

These types of malpractices must be stopped immediately by banning such entities & penalising them heavily. I think Indusind Bank has also faced ban from AMFI for misselling. Now a days, Relationship Managers of Banks are taking 1 more step ahead in unethical MF Selling. They are taking ARN Code in the name of their close relatives & putting the MF Business of their Bank Customers in these Dummy ARNs & exploiting the Customer data of their Bank for their personal benefits by using their Bank resources.

JOSEPH KORAH

3 years ago

Only because of the Money Life initiatives do these issues get some attention. Really very sad that an international bank like HSBC has not taken even basic care to protect the savings of its high-end customers - so we can imagine the care it takes of ordinary customers. We can only hope and pray that the law enforcing agencies will take the HSBC management to task and provide sufficient compensation both for the financial loss and mental agony faced by Ms. Suchitra Krishnamoorthi.

NN Balasubramanian

3 years ago

Very good initiative by Money life to bring out this story. I request all readers to forward this article to as many as possible so that gullible investors are not trapped by these white collared criminals. About 15 years ago a senior citizen in my locality committed suicide when he lost 75% of his savings when he was dragged into derivative trading through deceitful ways by one of the leading brokerage houses. No action was taken on any one although he left a suicide note indicting the brokerage house for his action.

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Suiketu Shah

In Reply to NN Balasubramanian 3 years ago

I am very sorry to read someone committed suicide becasue they were fooled.The way to live is to take the person who cheated you-his life ,not take yr life.

The greatest Indian ever-Mahatma Gandhi said "An eye for an eye makes one blind."

Why not "blind" the one who cheated you brutally in Dalal street physically in broad daylight and let the cheater Rm lose his life.This wl send a strong signal to all RM's in the whoel nation what investors can do if they fool around.I must say though ,this is not possibly by a senior citizen and although it might look over the top ,it is not.One strong brutal lashing to fraud RM's in broad daylight covered by the Indian press leaving him incapable of hospital treatment is all that is needed.Noone has to commit suicide henceforth.

My condolences to yr friends family.

Vikas Gupta

In Reply to Suiketu Shah 3 years ago

I totally agree with you that The concerned RM Name should be brought in limelight & he should be penalised publically to prevent such instances in future.

mm sundram

In Reply to NN Balasubramanian 3 years ago

who is that brokerage? name mr nn balasubramanian now we will make them accountable before the Court of law.

sreenath

In Reply to mm sundram 3 years ago

sathyacumaran
singapore media and channel
thanks for interest even if they name the brokers name no court of law nor sebi nor bse nse or nsdl or amfi would take any action because in this loot the broker the amfi and amc of the mutual fund and nse bse sebi do get their due share is our surmise take for my case i was cheated by india infoline stock broking firm i have all the proof and i am fighting this case for eight long years till now these institution had not taken my case we can go to media and channel but it would affect the stock market and there would be another crash and inflation would further uincrease and just like how NBFC was closed many broking house would wind up their operation then employees employed in the stock broking firms who are in thier mid 40 and 50 would lose their job as such i am fighting this my case you can contact me if you could help me my contact number is 09444021822

Padikkathavan

In Reply to sreenath 3 years ago

Absolutely right ! The case of National Spot Exchange is the latest one. The adage 'God helps those, who help themselves' has now changed to 'God helps those, who have godfathers!'

Mukund Kini

3 years ago

The phenomenon of Toxic churning is rampant in the Life insurance industry with ULIP Products the commissions are more attractive then MF which encourages this illicit investment Trade.

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Vikas Gupta

In Reply to Mukund Kini 3 years ago

I agree with you that Toxic churning is rampant in Life Insurance Industry. Insurance Advisors switch over the old policy to the new policy for their commissions only & the Policy holder doesn't know that there would be deduction of a hell of charges once again whenever they sign for switching.

rsmanian

3 years ago

VERY OFTEN HSBC bank comes to prominency for wrong reasons. The case of Ms. Suchithra Krishnamurthy is a glaring one in such instances,thanks to MoneyLife initiative,which deserves applauds. If this is the way foreign banks treat emerging economy countries, we definitely loose faith in FII in India. The present move of RBI Gov. Mr. Raghuram to unshackle the foreign banks from the clutches of MoF & RBI ( more liberalisation) is to be viewed with pinch of caution & suspicion only. Locals fraud in lesser way while International Banks defraud in giant way. The principle "Buyers Beware" is apt always.

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MAHENDRA

In Reply to rsmanian 3 years ago

We are astonished to observe there is no due diligent Audits which happen as Statute & in sustained manner by qualified auditors(?) internal and externals. What's really wrong with and who is pushing this crime through??

MoneyLife initiative is good. need to reach to the roots and up-route each responsible....

Michael Mason-Mahon

In Reply to MAHENDRA 3 years ago

Dear Mahendra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maqSFuI7U...

Please google this one first. Prosecutor: HSBC knows we're watching

You may like Google: How much longer can the FM, RBI ignore HSBC in India? - Moneylife

Moneylife has proved to be great at exposing HSBC for thir illegal and criminal behaviour in India.

People should go to youtube: 1) How HSBC Chairman Mr Flint lied to shareholders. 2) Protest against HSBC in Mumbai. 3) Help Stop Bankers Cheating.


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rsmanian

3 years ago

VERY OFTEN HSBC bank comes to prominency for wrong reasons. The case of Ms. Suchithra Krishnamurthy is a glaring one in such instances,thanks to MoneyLife initiative,which deserves applauds. If this is the way foreign banks treat emerging economy countries, we definitely loose faith in FII in India. The present move of RBI Gov. Mr. Raghuram to unshackle the foreign banks from the clutches of MoF & RBI ( more liberalisation) is to be viewed with pinch of caution & suspicion only. Locals fraud in lesser way while International Banks defraud in giant way. The principle "Buyers Beware" is apt always.

MAHENDRA

3 years ago

Just don't hush up the case like so many in past;

SEBI & FM, GoI has to take su-moto action with every all and similar accounts of the bank and any and all other banks playing fool with Citizens of India? Innocents are suffering as being Criminally targeted..

The sever actions will be prudential for protecting esteem of citizens of this country.

Such Institutions must rectify all mistakes so far in-corporated, stop any and all such non-sense forever...else, close their business instantaneously without delaying for a moment....

If SEB, FM, GoI fails to do this, our Economist PM and the Congress Govt is responsible and should resign and not to show face to the People!

MAHENDRA

3 years ago

Just don't hush up the case like so many in past;

SEBI & FM, GoI has to take su-moto action with every all and similar accounts of the bank and any and all other banks playing fool with Citizens of India? Innocents are suffering as being Criminally targeted..

The sever actions will be prudential for protecting esteem of citizens of this country.

Such Institutions must rectify all mistakes so far in-corporated, stop any and all such non-sense forever...else, close their business instantaneously without delaying for a moment....

If SEB, FM, GoI fails to do this, our Economist PM and the Congress Govt is responsible and should resign and not to show face to the People!

MAHENDRA

3 years ago

WILL SEBI & FM, GoI has to take su-moto action with all similar accounts of the bank and any and all other banks playing and fool with Citizens of India? Innocents are suffering as being Criminally targeted..

The sever actions will be prudential for protecting esteem of citizens of this country.

Such Institutions must stop any and all such non-sense...else, close their business instantaneously without delaying for a second.

If SEB, FM, GoI fails to do this, our Economist PM and the Congress Govt is responsible and should resign and not to show face to the People!

Michael Mason-Mahon

3 years ago

Congratulation Ms Krishnamoorthi

I do beg and plead with the Prime Minister of India, the Finance Minister of India and the Governor of the RBI to stop criminal and illegal The Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation Limited in India has been committing in India for many years.

Please do not let anymore innocent people become victims of HSBC.

Since April 2010 I have been helping many many people in India and Indians around the world to fight The Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation Limited in India.

In all the people that I have helped, they could not understand why nobody from the RBI or the Government would help them and how could a person in London take their case and win against HSBC Group.

After having Mr Sanjeev Kumar name removed from CIBIL and having his money return, he thanked me for giving him back his life.

Mr Flint the Chairman and the Board of Directors of HSBC Holdings Plc have known for many years that HSBC has been committing illegal and criminal behaviour in India.

I have personally written to the Prime Minister of India and the UK, the previous Finance Minister of India and the previous Governors of the RBI and Bank of England, to the Treasury Select Committee to ask for a criminal investigation and to inform them of the illegal and criminal behaviour of The Hongkong and Shanghai Banking Corporation Limited in India has been committing in India for many years.

The response I received from the Prime Minster of India was silence.

The response I received from the previous Finance Minister of India was silence.

The response I received from the RBI, from N Kim Guite Assistant General Manager February 22, 2011 "We have sent the contents of your letter to our Dept of Banking Supervision for necessary action and there will be no further correspondence on this issue from our side".

There is an old saying, you cannot make a deaf man hear, you cannot make a dumb man speak and you cannot make a blind man see.

Mr Flint the Chairman of HSBC Holdings Plc has barred me from representing any customer who has a complaint against HSBC he has even barred me from representing my own wife.

He did force me to close my accounts after I agreed to help a Solicitor in London who is an Indian.

I am very grateful to Ajit Ujjainkar for all the help and support he has given me in exposing what HSBC has and is doing to innocent people in India.

Ms Krishnamoorthi you could of helped many of your fellow Indian's if you had only came out and supported them. As a celebrity you may have told the media exactly what HSBC was and is doing to innocent people in India.

REPLY

Capt Edgar Sylva

In Reply to Michael Mason-Mahon 3 years ago

Please give me your contact address and details as I would like help from you.
Thanks in advance

Capt Edgar Sylva

In Reply to Michael Mason-Mahon 3 years ago

Please give me your contact address and details as I would like help from you.
Thanks in advance

Michael Mason-Mahon

In Reply to Capt Edgar Sylva 3 years ago

Capt Edgar Sylva
Do you still need my help.

Regards
Michael

Michael Mason-Mahon

In Reply to Capt Edgar Sylva 3 years ago

Dear Capt Edar Sylva

Thank you for contacting me, please see my personal contact details below. If you e-mail with a contact number I will phone you.

You may like Google: How much longer can the FM, RBI ignore HSBC in India? - Moneylife
People should go to youtube: 1) How HSBC Chairman Mr Flint lied to shareholders. 2) Protest against HSBC in Mumbai. 3) Help Stop Bankers Cheating. 4) Prosecutor: HSBC knows we're watching

Michael Mason-Mahon

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