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MDT 1 year ago
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Maj Pankaj Rai 1 year ago
There is a credibility issue about the qualifications of the doctors - Dr Rajanna Sreedhara and Dr Ramcharan Thiagarajan. Firstly, Dr Rajanna Sreedhara: Dr Sreedhara claims to be a professor at Institute of Nephro Urology. However, he has not been there since more than two years (or maybe more). The reason is simple, he does not have the qualifications considered appropriate to hold and sustain a medical teaching job recognised in India. Is Dr Sreedhara still at Fortis Hospital or has his CV not updated?
Dr Thiagarajan: Dr Thiagarajan still claims to be the Medical Coordinator at ZCCK which he is not. Again, his CV does not show any specific expertise in pancreatic transplant surgery nor does his CV on the website at Fortis. Again, since Fortis did not have license to do pancreatic transplant surgery how could he have been registered to do pancreatic transplant?
Respectphysicians 1 year ago in reply to Maj Pankaj Rai
Dr Sreedhar has all the required qualification to teach in India. MCI recognizes all US post graduate degrees. You talk so much about your wife, only if she had been alive and not had the infection then Dr Sreedhar would have been GOD to you.
Maj Pankaj Rai Retd 1 year ago in reply to Respectphysicians
Sir - is that not a hypothetical question? We seem to be missing the main question - why should violate patient trust and suggest an illegal surgery in the first place? I request you to consider all facts. Incalculable harm can be caused if the general public start correlating organ transplantation with illegal surgeries.
Ratanlal Purohit 1 year ago in reply to Respectphysicians
Hindi Song I sing
Zara saamne to aao Chhaliye
Chhup chhup likhane me kya raaj hai
You Chup na kar sakega kisiko
Yeh jo Janata ki Awaz hai
Ratanlal Purohit 1 year ago in reply to Maj Pankaj Rai
I hope the Hospital has ISO 9000 certification. If yes than Non Compliance to the Certifying Body sshould be filed
Ramesh S Arunachalam 1 year ago
I sum up the key issues from the article and please Dr Shroff, I would like your views on these. Thanks in Advance:
A) I would like to point out that Mr E V RAMANA REDDY, a person no less than Appellate Authority & Secretary to Government, Health and Family Welfare Department while passing his judgment on an appeal - made UNDER SECTION 17 OF THE TRANSPLANTATION OF HUMAN ORGANS ACT, 1994 – has noted (and I quote him):
“3.5 I am of the opinion that the APPELLANT HOSPITAL (FORTIS) DOES NOT HAVE LICENCE for transplantation of “Pancreas”. There is no basis for argument of the Appellant that Liver includes Pancreas and other abdominal organs. Not only the Office of the Appropriate Authority in Karnataka but also the Director General of Health Services, Government of India, have categorically stated that licence granted for liver does not include “Pancreas”. If it was not specifically rejected under Section 15(2) of the Act, it was not specifically granted also. I agree with the contention of the Respondent-1 (Maj Pankaj Rai Retd) that there is no clause for “deemed approval” if something is not specifically rejected under the Act. Contention of the Appellant that Dr. Ramesh, the then Joint Director (Medical) categorically stated that Liver includes all other abdominal organs cannot be agreed to. There is no written proof for this and EVEN IF THE THEN JOINT DIRECTOR (MEDICAL) WERE TO GIVE IT IN WRITING, IT IS IN VIOLATION OF THE ACT.”
B) Likewise, the report of the Karnataka Lokayukta (THEN UNDER THE HELM OF MR SANTOSH HEGDE) (No.Compt/LOK/BCD/621/2010/ARE-1, Bangalore), Dated: 20th May, 2011, notes that:
“The Appropriate authority has given permission to Fortis hospital to do transplantation of kidney, liver and homograft usage only (Page # 4)
Thus the Fortis hospital has registered with the Appropriate Authority to undertake only for kidney, homograft and liver transplantation surgeries only and NOT FOR PANCREAS (Page # 5)
Section 13 of Human Transplantation Act is violated by the Appropriate Authority as the Appropriate Authority has not conducted periodic inspections of the Fortis Hospital and has failed to look at the WEBSITE of the Hospital.(Page # 6)
The Hospital authorities have violated Sec. 9 of the Human Transplantation Act as they have allowed Dr. Ramacharan Thaigarajan to perform pancreatic transplantation in spite of not having the permission to undertake pancreatic transplantation surgery in their Hospital. (Page # 6)”
C) I have also seen the inspection reports of the appropriate authority of Karnataka prior to granting of the transplant licenses. The one for FORTIS does not list pancreas (in terms of infrastructure clearance) where as the one for BGS explicitly lists Pancreas (in terms of infrastructure clearance). This is just one example and there are others that can be shared
D) Also, the certificate of registration (Form 12) provided by the appropriate authority to BGS clearly lists Pancreas where the one for FORTIS does not. This is just one example and there are others that can be shared
E) According to Maj Pankaj Rai (Retd), Late Seema Rai had not registered for a pancreas transplant. Despite this, it was transplanted on her on 2 May 2010 at Fortis Hospital, Bannerghatta Road, Bangalore.
Interestingly, the ZCCK (Zonal Coordination Committee of Karnataka for Transplantation) in a letter (page 1, point 2 and page 2, last point) to Major Pankaj Rai claims that it was not aware of the fact that Fortis did not have a valid transplant license (to undertake PANCREAS transplantation).
The ZCCK also notes (Page 2, point 3) that "There are no rules laid down wherein a patient can be allocated organs even if he/she has not registered for the same". The letter is enclosed as Exhibit # 4 in the article above.
This clearly means that when a patient has not registered for transplant of a specific organ, there are no rules under the act to allocate the specific organ to the said patient. Yet the ZCCK allotted the organ to Late Seema Rai. Now, why and on what basis was this done is an aspect that needs to be probed!
It is also very strange and ironical that ZCCK says that it was not aware that Fortis did not have a valid pancreas transplant license. This is because the Dr Ramcharan T, who is listed as the medical coordinator on ZCCK's letter head, also happened to be the transplant surgeon at Fortis (at that point in time). Besides, the very fact that Dr Ramcharan T was part of the ZCCK (authorization committee), does show that there was a significant conflict of interest and in fact, his presence in the authorization committee appears to be a violation of the The Transplantation of Human Organs Act (THOA)
Specifically, The Transplantation of Human Organ Rules, 1995, Rule 4A talks about the authorisation committee- (1) The medical practitioner who will be part of the organ transplantation team for carrying out transplantation operation shall NOT be a member of the authorisation committee constituted under the provisions of clauses (a) and (b) of sub-section (4) of section 9 of the Act.
Doctor, given the above, I would be grateful if you can let me know what your views are with regard to these violations
Thanks and I look forward to your response and it is important that as one of the leading practitioners you set the record straight as far as legal violations (by Doctors) are concerned
Ratanlal Purohit 1 year ago in reply to Ramesh S Arunachalam
In my opinion ML and the author has done a great job in collecting voluminous evidences for appropriate authorities to decide in the case before them. Dr. Shroff of course is not the judge. He is part of tthe fraternity and tried his level best to defend and make use of the legal loophole BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT and I don't his INTENTION TO DEFEND AND BAIL OUT THE DOCTOR AND HOSPITAL IN QUESTION. THATS ALL. HE IS JUST A D'S ADVOCATE. NOT AN ARBITER.
LET THE JUDICIARY DECIDE AND I REITIRATE THEY WILL . MILK IS MILK AND WATER IS WATER
A GREAT JOB DONE SIR FOR THE JUST CAUSE
Regards to all contributors including Drs.
Sunil Shroff 1 year ago
I have never said exonerate the doctor. I said first establish his intentions or was it done in 'good faith' as the law states. If this cannot be established - I am not sure why the law has this clause.
Was the surgeon competent or not - look at his credentials, his previous records. Get references from others. You can’t judge him by one case. If he was not competent, punish him but don't go on hearsay.
Some of you have taken the whole medical profession to task. No we are not perfect. Yes we do have bad apples among us. Yes our ethics has eroded as has the ethics of our society at large. Yes this is most unfortunate. But in a civilized society you cannot sweep everyone in medical profession or any other profession be it law or education with the same broom. It reflects the immaturity of persons making such statements. It is a more in line with medieval thought process.
Some of you have gone personal with me. It doesn’t bother me, because I walk the straight line in my profession and my work or anything else I do. But let me put the records straight I am not the one who allocates organs in Tamil Nadu when a cadaver organs are available In the case that was mentioned the health dept. of Govt. of Tamil Nadu has taken action. You can read this on their website and on the following link.
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes....
‘Hospital rapped for transplant violation
CHENNAI: The government has issued an order "severely reprimanding" Apollo Hospitals for violation of cadaver organ transplant norms.
Yes I am involved with MOHAN Foundation and I am proud to say so. If it was not for this foundation - over 2600 patients would not have got a second chance in life. These patients didn’t have a donor they got a cadaver organ. India need to promote the cadaver programme in a big way otherwise millions will die in the coming years. We are sitting on an epidemic of organ failure, thanks to our lifestyle and our genetic propensity towards diabetes and to some extent to hypertension .
MOHAN Found commitment to the cause is total. Their trustees and members have donated organs of their loved ones – what more commitment does one requires to prove credentials of an organization working in such a difficult and sometimes hostile area.
No I am not an agent of any hospital. I can sue you for making such defamatory statements. If you have the guts send me your address and be ready for a lawyers notice for defamation.
All this heat has not lead us anywhere. The family is traumatized, the medical doctors have been traumatized. Some rationale thinking is required to come to any decision. It can’t be done on such platforms. But let at least the discussions can be more rationale – this much we owe as a society to the medical profession.
Sashi 1 year ago in reply to Sunil Shroff
Dr Sunil Shroff,
Since you are in the "business", you should know the law (other than defamation only).
You are guilty of contempt of Court. If you have the guts, you can pack your bags and give your "good faith" in a Court of law.
Don't assume that all people are suckers and dumb.
If you try to use a forum/platform for your jaundiced views, you should be able to face the music in Court.
>>
All this heat has not lead us anywhere. The family is traumatized, the medical doctors have been traumatized. Some rationale thinking is required to come to any decision. It can’t be done on such platforms. But let at least the discussions can be more rationale – this much we owe as a society to the medical profession.
Maj Pankaj Rai Retd 1 year ago in reply to Sunil Shroff
Dr Shroff - this is a forum for discussion and personal remarks are uncalled for. On behalf of whoever has supported me but inadvertently offended you I apologise.
Talking about the surgeon, his profile on the website of Fortis itself does not have any mention of expertise in pancreatic transplantation. When the hospital did not have registration to do pancreatic transplant surgery, the question of the surgeon having registered with the Appropriate Authority as an expert for pancreas transplant does not arise.
The Indian Penal Code has desrcibed 'good faith' as the exercise of utmost due care and diligence and puts the onus on the doctors to prove that. Fraudently suppressing the fact that the hospital having a license for pancreas, the surgeon being a part of the authoristion committee and suppressing from ZCCK that the hospital does not having license, not obtaining informed consent from the patient, not suggesting post mortem would come in the way of establishing a case of 'good faith'.
Again - this is going to be even more difficult to plead that one of the doctors who is on anticipatory bail jumps bail and flees the country.
If you disagree with my logic please say so.
Regards,
Pankaj
Ramesh S Arunachalam 1 year ago in reply to Sunil Shroff
Your points are well taken and let me apologise for anyone who has offended you. I guess there are many emotive issues here.
And Doctor, as I have said many times, like a broken record there are many Good doctors and some cases done in good faith fail.
That apart, you have answered everyone else but me. I have raised serious legal issues in my article and also provided reasonably solid evidence in support of issues that I have raised. As a leading practitioner, please tell me what do you do when Doctors, authorisation committees, hospitals etc cross the line and break the law themselves (knowing fully well that they are breaking the law)? Tell me what should be done and I am very keen to listen to you on this
My point is then, why have the Act and claim to be following it. Scrap the Act and let Doctors do as they please.
Let me say this again. Not all Doctors are bad and there have been (and there are) many excellent doctors doing yeoman service to this country. But that does not take away from this case when blatant legal violations have occurred. Anyone arguing that the Late Seema Rai Pancreas transplant was absolutely legal is turning a BLIND eye to the serious infringement of law that has occurred on many many counts.
Again, I am very keen to get Dr Shroff's views on what should be done, when a doctor or hospital or authorisation committee (purposely and/or unknowingly) break the law?
Thanks
Abha Rai 1 year ago in reply to Sunil Shroff
I am sure the intention of the doctors did not involve "good faith". The hospital did not even have a valid license for pancreas. The doctors suggested the pancreatic transplantation surgery just a few hours prior to the actual "experiment"that they did. There was obviously no psychiatric evaluation of the patient, nor any sort of counseling given to the patient. It is unbecoming of a responsible doctor to do something like this. The transplant surgeon was also a member of the authorisation committee. How is all this supposed to be done in "good faith"? The cardiologist was supposed to evaluate the patient which was again very conveniently overlooked. Is this also done in "good faith"? Then, I think we need to broaden the definition and include "experimentation", "killing"etc. also within the purview of "good faith". The credentials of the transplant surgeon as well as several important issues pertaining to the case have been looked into by the family before going ahead with the case.
Obviously, the family is deriving no pleasure out of this. Infact, they are being put to so much of pain and discomfort every single time they have to speak about the subject and get ready for a new fight to get justice. A home has been destroyed. Someone has lost her mother, not to forget in this whole act of so called "good faith" Maj.Rai has lost his wife.
I am sure you now understand the situation. I would like you to contact the Rai family in case your questions are unanswered. Clearly, such irresponsible actions DO NOT fall under the purview of "good faith".
I am glad you acknowledge that the family has been traumatized. I suggest at this hour it is important to stand up against such doctors who bring disrepute and bad name to the entire medical fraternity. We need to eliminate such doctors so that poor patients are not subjected to this kind of pain in future.
Nobody is against the entire medically fraternity, but certainly against these black sheep. Thank you for showing so much of interest in the case! Jai Hind!
ResDr 1 year ago in reply to Abha Rai
I am sorry for the loss of a wife and mother.
Mrs Rai suffered End stage renal disease requiring dialysis at such a yound age. She was started on dialysis which already marks a crucial step down in her health status. At that time all doctors were God to you because they had prevented a wife and mother from dying of complications of kidney failure. Any pt young on Kidney failure is a candidate for renal transplant which can work at times and does not other times. I see good intentions of the doctor in doing his best for the patient. Nobody would risk their medical license and what does A PHYSICIAN GAIN BY KILLING HIS PATIENTS...so inapprtopritaely termed by Ms Abha Rai regarding killing , experimentation. A physician who extending your mothers life by atleast 2 years by successfully keeping her on dialysis gets only BRICKBATS when she dies postoperatively after renal transplant. WHAT A SELFISH SOCIETY of people WE ARE.When things are going well everybody keeps quite. My message to Mr Rai and Abha Rai...deepest condolensces, but dont label somebody as a killer just because your beloved died. It is a play of emotions in the end. Let justice prevail and God give strength to all people involved in the unjust BATTLE.
Abha Rai 1 year ago in reply to ResDr
How can you speak about the intentions of the doctor etc? Are you a spokesperson for the doctor? Well, if you are really interested in the case then please contact the family to understand the intricacies of the case. How can untrue statements about the doctor be made just because "you think" they are true. I have only stated facts and not been unfair to anybody.
Ratanlal Purohit 1 year ago in reply to ResDr
RESDR SIR
LETS NOT SHOOT AT THE TANGENT.
U R RIGHT.
LET COMPETENT AUTHORITY DECIDE.
WE KNOW WHO U R.
BUT THE DIE IS CAST.
NO ESCAPE.
TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF IMPROPER
Sashi 1 year ago
Dr Shroff seems to be jumping too quickly to the rescue of "villains".
Dr Shroff is another "Merchant of Death" involved in MOHAN Foundation which is a cadaveric transplantation in Chennai.
They seem to be involved in this MURDER case where an Indian patient was denied Transplantation over a Mauritius tourist patient.
Any comments, Dr Shroff? Are you hands also bloodied with the Blood money of patients?
Link here:
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes....
Ratanlal Purohit 1 year ago in reply to Sashi
Exactly