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Nokia Lumia 800: The ‘noPhone’ that need to go miles before...
December 16, 2011 05:11 PM | Bookmark and Share
Yogesh Sapkale

Except may be backing of a bigshot like Microsoft, there is nothing in Nokia Lumia 800 that can make it compete with other smartphones from Samsung or HTC. Launching handsets in the league of Apple iPhone is still a miles away dream for Nokia

Before I start, let me confess that this review is completely based on technical specifications and not a hands-on experience. Although, Nokia is not leaving a single stone unturned through publicity events in order to grab attention towards its’re-entry' into the smartphone category, it is the technical specifications that makes the Lumia 800 an 'also ran' in the race.

In addition, the price factor is a big disadvantage for Nokia Lumia 800, especially in a country obsessed with low or ‘value-for-money’ mobile handsets. While the value-for-money tag has worked for Nokia in the past, the lack of this feature would only shrink its market share from 30% at present.

Purely looking at the technical specifications, I found there is one handset, Samsung Galaxy S Plus that competes with Nokia Lumia 800. Both have 1.4GHZ Scorpion processor with Qualcomm MSM8255 Snapdragon chipset and Adreno 205 as graphics processing unit (GPU).

Screen:
While Lumia 800 has 3.7 inches AMOLED capacitive touchscreen, the S Plus comes with 4 inches Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen. Both have 480x800 pixel resolution and are protected by Corning Gorilla Glass. (Compared with the first-generation active-matrix organic light-emitting diode or AMOLED, some of the Super AMOLED advantages are brighter screens, less sunlight reflection and reduced power consumption).

Storage: Both handsets have 16GB internal memory and 512MB random access memory (RAM). However, S Plus comes with 2GB read-only memory (ROM) and a memory card slot for up to 32GB. ROM is mainly used to distribute firmware or software that is very closely tied to specific hardware, and unlikely to need frequent updates.

Data Connectivity: Both Lumia 800 and S Plus supports GPRS and EDGE network and offers speed up to 14.4 Mbps on HSDPA (3G). Both support Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g/n protocol, with S Plus also offering digital living network alliance (DLNA) and Wi-Fi hotspot features. (DLNA certified device makes it easier for consumers to use, share and enjoy digital photos, music and videos across similar devices).

Camera: While Lumia 800 has an 8 megapixel camera with Carl Zeiss optics and dual-LED flash, the S Plus comes with just 5 megapixel camera and no flash. Both can record HD quality (720p@30fps) videos. The Lumia 800 does not have a secondary camera like S Plus, which comes handy for video calls.

OS: Although, after its alliance with software giant Microsoft, the Finnish mobile maker was expected to come out with handset based on Windows. The Lumia 800 comes with Windows Phone 7.5, also known as Mango and offers one-touch social network access, easy grouping of contacts, integrated communication threads and Internet Explorer 9. On the other hand, Galaxy S plus comes with Google Android 2.3 or Gingerbread and loads of applications that can be downloaded either free or paid for from the internet. (Android is a mobile operating system developed by Google and Open Handset Alliance and according to a report by NPD, enjoys 53% market share compared with mere 2% share for Windows Phone 7 in the US).

Multimedia: When it comes to enjoying music or videos on the handset, Samsung clearly leads the way. While both handsets supports, MP4, H.263, H.264 and WMV files, the S Plus also supports DivX and Xvid. In addition S plus also support TV-out feature that is not there in Lumia 800.

Documents/Editor: Both handsets have document as well as video and image viewer and editor.

Battery: This is really interesting. While Lumia 800 comes with a 1450mAh Li-Ion battery, the S Plus comes with 1650 mAh Li-Ion one. However, there is big difference between the talk time and standby time of both the handsets. On a 3G network, Lumia 800 claims to offer stand-by time of 335 hours and talk time of up to 9 hours and 30 minutes, the S Plus claims a stand-by time of up to 625 hours and talk time of up to 6 hours and 30 minutes. The fast draining of battery, in case of S Plus can be attributed to its operating system. Android phones use more battery due to their constant need to communicate over the internet; especially applications like Google Maps and Latitude are known to drain the battery fast.

Price: Nokia Lumia 800 comes with an official price tag of Rs29,999 and can be bought for less than it. Samsung Galaxy S Plus sells at around Rs23,500.

Conclusion: Although Nokia sees its Lumia 800 to be a competitor to Apple iPhone, it is nowhere near the niche product. In fact compared with iPhone, the Lumia 800 can be termed as 'noPhone'. Even compared with Samsung products, Nokia is trying to sell this handset with specifications similar to S Plus but charging a premium. Four factors work in favour of Samsung Galaxy Plus, one, its screen is Super AMOLED, two the screen size is 4 inches and third and biggest is it runs on Android and fourth it is available at around Rs23,500. By the way, if interested one can grab the elder sibling, the Galaxy S II for a lesser price than the Nokia Lumia 800.



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Troy 5 months ago
The new features make Mango much more appealing than the earlier versions of the Windows Phone software.

But many of the new features simply match features or apps long available for Android or iOS devices. And in some important ways, Windows Phone still comes up short compared to those operating systems.

There are far fewer applications available for Windows Phone devices than for Android or iOS. And it's not just the obscure apps that are missing; among the popular apps you just can't get on Windows Phone devices are Internet radio service Pandora, digital video service Hulu and even Skype.

And while you can update iOS or Android devices directly over the Internet, you still have to plug Windows Phone 7 devices into a computer to update them. Similarly, both iOS and Android devices now allow you to stream and download all of your own music from an Internet-based storage locker. Windows Phone 7 will connect with Microsoft's Zune subscription service, but it doesn't have anything comparable to Apple's iCloud or Google Music lockers.

Additionally, Windows Phone's built-in Web browser, Internet Explorer, doesn't support new Web standards to the degree the Android and iOS browsers do, doesn't support Adobe's Flash technology and doesn't have enough users to persuade Web publishers to customize pages for it. The end result is that you can't run some Web applications, such as the one for Google Music, that will run on iOS and Android devices. And sometimes, slide shows and other multimedia content that you could see on those devices will return error messages in Internet Explorer.

So, while I've found a lot to like about Mango, I can't recommend buying a Windows Phone device over the iPhone or an Android gadget.
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Vinnce 5 months ago
buddy if you dont have device with you to write review atleast you can do through the videos available on youtube

following is the one ex. & m sue you will find tons like this covering other topics as well ;) ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqIgveDDC...
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Neon 5 months ago
Wow a "Adreno 205 as graphics processing unit (GPU)"

How MEHpic..... Well I guess it doesn't matter on that screen, this is starting to bring back memories of the LG incite...
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Michael Oryl 5 months ago
This "review" is a disgrace. It's time for a new career choice, my friend.
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  Doug 5 months ago  in reply to Michael Oryl
Wow...so they finally decided to sack you from MSFT for exposing them.
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fuck you 5 months ago
What a crap review. You're reviewning a phone you haven't even seen and haven't even seen ClearBlack amoled but are saying the GS2 is better...just because?

NEVER REVIEW A NOKIA PRODUCT AGAIN YOU DOUCHE
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abhishek 5 months ago
although lumia hav battery bug but still iphone dont even get closer to the backup of nokia devices.
only the strongest will survive in Indian conditions and its nokia
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Yogiraj 5 months ago
What a SHIT review, does he actually know anything about Lumia 800. It has a fastest HTML5 supported, strongest connectivity, better support for business tools. It boots within 10 secs, Android in 50 secs and iPhone in 1 min 5 sec. Lag time for operating is negligible while operating (better than Android with 512MB RAM). With Gorilla glass scratch proof display and Polymer plastic body, it is one of the best phones in market. The thing that is lagging is the Camera quality as compared to HTC or Samsung. But that makes less difference. I must say this is the Worst review on NET.
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  Neon 5 months ago  in reply to Yogiraj
Oh it boots in 10 secs, I never have to reboot my other smart phones.... Gorilla glass hey you and everyone else... Polymer Plastic!? Redundant much... HTML5 Support, meh its MS it'll need a thousand security patches.

I'm going to say your comment is a plant as have been many others on this review. Instead of whining about the review why not work on improving the phone? Even better why not make a community effort out of it, like a open source & xda forum outreach. Heck even the multimedia issue is a quick update.

People become power users quickly when it comes to smartphones, its not something that should be overlooked...
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  Angelos 5 months ago  in reply to Yogiraj
I used to be a Nokia fan, since the NGAGE, N95 times. But now Nokia is really behind the times. Lumia has nice design but is no match for Samsung Galaxy SII and iPhone. BTW: keen to go on WP7 but still no good phone around after so much time of WP7 in the market. Minimum requirements are that of GSII plus 64 or 128GB space, 4.5'' screen, 2500mAh battery. If Nokia is the manufacturer so much the better!!!
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Balabharathi 5 months ago
Dont give a stupid review. Have you ever used Win 7.5 ? .. If you have used it then you would have never written this review.

Apple is a Dumb phone, doesnt give any customization for the users and also over priced for the HW they deploy.

Win Phone 7 is going to lead the world in another year or so. Wait and watch.

I am not a employee of MS or Nokia, just a common man who is using the First ever Windows product
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Dave 5 months ago
Idiot review. Use the phone before you write a review.
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Devesh 5 months ago
Now that this has become and all out war among the likes of MS+Nokia side versus the Android side, it is safe to say that the people posting from MS+Nokia are just jealous of the fact that they have been provided with an old outdated overpriced brick with no functionality and whatsoever there is, is not sufficient to compete with the ones that are being produced by the players of the other side. The only option (last) they have is to sue the other side so that they can extract money from them to try to stop them from producing great products. People who are not in the field also have forgot that MS has always copied functionality from others and have not done anything on their own. This is going to be a good cake fight to watch.

Oh and by the way to the MS person who published on Twitter that he is willing to give away an MS based smartphone I dare you to give one to me, but the catch is that you should not take my Android device. You can get my details from my blog itself.

I'll take your device and post a review of it myself.
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ravishankar 5 months ago
All the jobless people in Nokia and Microsoft. Please keep posting and expose your biases.
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oyaug 5 months ago
My review of Yogesh Sapkale’ review, it’s Garbage.

My opinion of revealing IP addresses of those who posted using “abusive” language, Childish.
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No more comments 5 months ago
guys... i think.. he must have already realised his mistake.
pls dont criticize him more.. or he might commit suicide.
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  pls more comments 5 months ago  in reply to No More Comments
guys.. i just found out..this guy has actly posted another article.. revealing IP addresses of readers... and criticizing them too...!
sorry for stopping u from adding comments..pls go ahead...
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  Fone 5 months ago  in reply to Pls More Comments
Hey baby,
smart ....but this phone is incomplete,

no secondary camera,
no memory card slot,
no documents editor,
no NFC,
no flash,
no JAVA support,
no wi-fi direct nor hot spot,
no gyroscope sensor,
battery not replaceable by users,
fixed permanent window custom etc etc.
What say, babe?
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ABC 5 months ago
You are one fked up idiot. You and your employer should be totally sued to go bankrupt for publishing IP Addresses and Email Addresses and voilating the privacy of your readers. If you can't tolerate critcism, close the shop, cover your dirty little dick like face and disappear from online journalism.
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Vinnyh 5 months ago
Moron, please use the product (at least 1 week) before reviewing it!!!!
Compared with Apple's Siri, the WP voice search gives actual answers and no snub remarks. See this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...
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Joe Liu 5 months ago
Dude go look up the word "review" on dictionary. You don't DO A REVIEW WITHOUT EVEN HAVING A PRODUCT ON HAND. And posting people's ip online is just FKED UP you deserved the backlash because of this bogus "review".
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Nathan 5 months ago
The quality of this review is appalling. I understand reviewers post a "pre-test" teaser without the phone, but they tend to hold judgement until they have it in their hands.

and posting someone's private ip address, you should never be allowed to publish again.
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techdude 5 months ago
honestly, design wise Lumia 800 kicks the iphone4 4s asss by a mile ;)

live tiles is just way more intuitive than iPhone dead icons from the 1970s.

maybe ur ass was kicked by ms or nokia, so u writing shit about a phone u know nothing about MR. typical indian
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Tom Dunkins 5 months ago
Perhaps next time try doing a hands on review. I own a Samsung Galaxy S2 and a Lumia 800 and have had an iPhone 4 and using the phones they're all in the same league. The Lumia 800 probably has the brightest screen, the iPhone and Lumia feel the slickest, while the Galaxy S2 comes pre installed with some cool apps.

When you take into account that the Lumia is the same price as the S2 and 25% cheaper than the iPhone 4, it suddenly feels like a viable alternative.

And on a note everyone so far who's seen the Lumia has had a "wow" reaction at first and then impressed by its speed and slickness.

On another note feel free to disclose my IP as I see that's pretty common here.
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Arnold 5 months ago
Just quoting GSM arena here that actually USES the phones before writing reviews: "As for the brightness, the Nokia N9 had one of the brightest AMOLED screens we've seen, easily topping SuperAMOLED in this regard. We expected the same from the Lumia 800, but we were disappointed - at the brightest setting, the 800 was only as bright as the N9 at 50% brightness.

It's comparable to the SuperAMOLED on the Omnia W, for what that's worth, but it doesn’t defeat it soundly as we expected based on the N9's performance."
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Herman van der blom 5 months ago
bullshit review and i dont work for ms or nokia. the os is super. next gen os. its a phone and it should work like a phone, ms did this job right. if you combine the os with the superb material nokia used you get the best available.

this is my 3rd mobile. i dont use many apps. dont use front face camera. multiple cores? i dont care it just have to work good and it does :-)

anyway this bad review will be remembered. you are now one of the guys who writes history of bad mistake.

but you know whats funny? people see this phone. use this phone. and then decide on their own mind and buy this phone.

so your review and others are not important at all. phone 7 will proof it self right on points of quality and usability.

as an example, take a housewife that never used a smartphone. they will be very happy with a lumia 800.
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arjun mahadevan 5 months ago
Wow...look at these comments! Is Nokia paying all these guys?

I am now trying to figure out whether to believe all the comments, or believe the reviewer or wonder about a review without looking at the phone and using it!!
crazily confused
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  vishal jindal 5 months ago  in reply to Arjun Mahadevan
hi mr mahadevan

if you have any doubts go and check the samsung and nokia sites. you will find the difference, as of me i will not pay even 15000 for this girly phone
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Raj Bhalla 5 months ago
This is one of the stupidiest articles/reviews that I have read. Mr. Reviewer, if you haven't had the chance to have hands on experience to explore the phone, you shouldn't be writing this review in the first place.

Grow up and first thing you should be doing is going to a Nokia priority dealer and experience it there!

Damn stupid article.
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Simon Phillips 5 months ago
What a pointless article. At least use the phone first! This journalism at it lowest. This is a great phone and windows mobile could very well become the second OS behind Android this year. Far smoother experience than iOS and Ice Cream Sandwich.
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Santosh 5 months ago
This Yogesh was paid handsomely by some of the Android manufacturers and now being promoted by Google's Proprietary search algorithm. Since I'm in the industry, i know that Google "fixes" quite a few of such things. Coming back to this review - i guess hardware specs dont matter much if the overall experience and usability is fantastic! The OS does not need high end hardware to work well..

Yogesh - if your objective to write a paid review, it's been met, my friend. Congrats! Am sorry - i will go buy this phone now :)
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Mario 5 months ago
I am a happy owner of Nokia Lumia 800. You know why? Because it's beautiful, it's fast, it works, it receives updates (Nokia and Microsoft will not abandon you when you leave the store) and also because Android is useless crap. Half apps don't work, it's sluggish and interface is so cluttered that it looks like someone puked on the screen after a party.
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Harish 5 months ago
Lol, even today this is the first link which is being showed in google news, i didn't ever imagine google is also like this, shame on you guys.
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dj 5 months ago
Tisk tisk Yogesh.. this write-up was shameless, lazy and a disservice to everyone unfortunate enough to stumble upon it.
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Rahul 5 months ago
What kind of an idiot are you? How can you write a phone review without actually trying out a phone!

Just touched the lumia today... can't let it go.. it just feels so right!
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Art 5 months ago
Clearly, he was payed by apple to expurgate the success Nokia is making with this phone in ALL 6 countries in EU.
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Divyansh 5 months ago
waste of time to read the article .. why is he not talking about the problems related with android .. iPone is like 1960's movies and android .. i dont even consider it a os fit for OS ... the writer need to grow up and see its a new generation .. stop living in 1960's
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  hahah 5 months ago  in reply to Divyansh
Frunstraded Nokia / MS employees.

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Created a piece of shit and now want admirers for it....
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  Sunil 5 months ago  in reply to Hahah
Nokia Lumia 800 rocks! you stupid..
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Harish 5 months ago
So true, only the name changes all Phones look the same, and cheap plastic.
Lumia is light years ahead of others in design and quality.
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rajiv 5 months ago
Its my dream phone. just look at the design, have never seen such a beautiful set ever in my life. Have you seen Galaxy S, same old samsung design every handset from 4k-29k of samsung look exactly same.
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Sunny 5 months ago
you idiot reviewer, you wasted my time by making this non sense review. Never gonna login again at moneylife.in
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zahid 5 months ago
first of all u did not take the design into consideration...the nokia lumia 800 design is years ahead of samsung....and yes if u had really used the handset u wud hv known it's a premium produt...
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Chris 5 months ago
In Denmark a survey conducted by OMD, has just showed an increase of 90% selling their used iPhone not buying another compared to last year. OMD concludes that here in Denmark people are bored with the iPhone not coming with anything new.
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koshal 5 months ago
i think this is bad new to all window mobile
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Joe Dohn 5 months ago
Moronic blather. If you are just going to report specs and spout opinions, don't call it a review. Waste of time. But I bet you don't care as you probably get paid by the number of hits this idiotic post gets.
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Gursimran 5 months ago
The reviewer clearly has no clue of what "Nokia Lumia 800" and "WP7 Mango"...It is the best device out there...And the OS is the most advanced and Smoothest.....Android is laggy and needs higher RAM and Bigger Processor...This phone is smoother and cooler than dual core androids out there....This is a ridiculous review...How can u review when u have not used the device ??....A Paid review..
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Mark Alayev 5 months ago
Are you crazy? What is this review based on. This is a waste of life, I can't believe this even shows up so high on google news. This site looks like crap, and I've only read one article. And that review only comes from specifications of your site and not while using.

First off all the phone is competitive when it comes down to the specifications 100x100 pixel difference in resolution barely matters. How about the 1.4 GHZ processor. And the OS, yes its not as polished because its younger and has a long way to go/grow. BUT it has features that the iOS so dearly misses (i.e. widgets?). This is a poorly written review, that has no basis on anything. USE THE PHONE, THEN LETS TALK.
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Jay 5 months ago
Only journalists have tried to rival this phone to the iPhone. Nokia have never tried to. They have called it the best WINDOWS phone; but not the best smartphone: that honour goes to the Samsung Galaxy S2. The Nokia Lumia Windows experience is simply magical. The reviewer above makes a rather questionable spec anaylsis without truly understanding the whole experience. For example, Mango is programmed to work efficiently with a single core processor. It makes use of this far better than Android ever could - this making the Lumia very fast. The reviewer fails to mention this. Poor show.

This is a good phone. Is it a high-end, top tier phone to rival the the S2 or iPhone? No. But it was never meant to be. If anything it is a top-tier, mid range phone - and does its job beautifully.
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Harish 5 months ago
So sad about Nokia, these crap guys have got money by advertising Nokia lumia on the same site as well as from others to write review. Double damaka!!!
i see Nokia Lumia ad at the top of the page.
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Harish 5 months ago
Wow, i started the 1st comment and there not even a single negative comment about Lumia, Even i got a Lumia today and feels awesome.
Dear reviewer just hold the Lumia for 5 mins, the way it feels itself makes you feel happy, awesome design and the OS is so so fast unlike android, which is so sluggish. Hope you come back here after you get hands on with Lumia. May be you wont write positive about it, cos you have been already paid. Really you are dare guy to name it "nophone". Wait and watch which is gonna become "nophone" soon.....
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Chris 5 months ago
It is quite interesting that this article is rated so high in Google News compared to the Alexa rank and pagerank for this site.
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  harish 5 months ago  in reply to Chris
Lol... so obvious google have paid...that too on the 1st day of Lumia launch. Good job guys....Hope Anna hazare shud be included for online corruption toooo.....
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kalyan 5 months ago
For the first time am seeing some one writing a review without even looking at the phone physically, leave of using it!!
I really cannot understand how can you compare a phone that is there in the market for quite sometime and the one which is yet to be released without even using it. I say this is what is called amateur reviewer. Samsung phones are not so good at battery back up, ease of use etc. I personally bought a samsung android phone and scrapped it because you have to carry a charger in your pocket all the time!!
I have an old Nokia N95, which is 4 year old and still has better battery and performance than this one.
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  harish 5 months ago  in reply to Kalyan
Thats Nokia :) Samsung is so crappy. Looks like cheap plastic everywhere.
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niranjan 5 months ago
why is moneylife trying to become mobilelife ?
why dont u focus on ur core competency ?

Nokia has a lifetime license to Nokia drive with offlince turn by turn navigation..which no other WP has.

Android and WP cannot be compared. Android is crappy and free !

and ur over exclamatory sentences like:"Launching handsets in the league of Apple iPhone is still a miles away dream for Nokia" are just so noob!

All that apple has is flaunt value, Siri is nothing more than "share and have fun with friends" app, no life changing utility in der.. Apple is an expensive product for idiot noobs who like to spend a lot on their hardware as well as software..

Please think atleast 2-3 hundred times more before writing an article..!

on top of tht, Nokia fones are just abt to release, so its obvious that they will be priced high for some time atleast.
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Rohan 5 months ago
Mr. Yogesh Sapkale, I am certain the first mobile Brand you had used was a Nokia, or may be otherwise some other cheap brand such as Samsung (manufacturer of washing machines), atleast thats what I think. Cant actually carry a phone that has a Samsung logo on it. How unfashionable and such a fashion faux pax can that be. Always being a Nokia Mobile owner, I am also using an android device along with an Iphone 4. I have just bought the Nokia Lumia 800 today and I think it is much much much more cooler than Android/Ios. The current situation is same like when android came in and people started talking that symbian is boring. Now to me android looks boring. With both an android phone and a mango powered lumia to me the lumia looks way more attractive, fast and slick. I think you are some odd uncle who needs to change mentality. Duh!
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Trent 5 months ago
Is someone paying you to write this review ? What a crappy review.
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Arnold Trus 5 months ago
Nokia has the Clear Black Amoled display which is even better especially in sunlight than Super Amoled. Android needs more power not to lag and 1,4 GHz on Lumia is better than small dual core on any Android phone. There is also free navigation and maps can be uploaded to you device. This is a major issue for anybody who drives a car. Please try to take into account all the factors that constitute a smartphone before making these comparisons.
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Chris 5 months ago
When will user experience win over numbers?

I have tried all the popular Android phones and my impression was that the Nokia Lumia 800 outperformed them all. It might not when you only look at the specs, but it is a very fast and smooth experience. And the the design is just so nice, sorry Android lovers but I think the phones feel and look cheap. There are so many other points to which I really like the Lumia 800 and if you like you can read them here:
Why I’m Replacing My iPhone With Nokia Lumia 800 And Why Android Is No Option
http://www.mmncs.com/2011/12/why-im-chan...
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  harish 5 months ago  in reply to Chris
Amazing Cris, Lumia is awesome.
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Vijay 5 months ago
You do not need a 2 GHz quad core processor to create a decent phone. The fact is that most phones in the market - especially the Android ones - hide their software and design flaws using an overload of processing power. I heard someone yesterday calling Android the new Windows :)

If you want to write phone reviews, it is strongly recommended that you check out the device in person with an open mind. Before you compare phones, please ensure you load the same applications, execute the same tasks, view the same movies etc.and see how the results check out

Let me make it clear that I am not a Nokia employee and in fact works in the Android ecosystem
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Aditya Agrawal 5 months ago
dude, gone are the times when actual consumers just use to care about the technical specificiations of mobiles. today, people want devices which are beauitful, fast and easy-to-use. for most of the consumers, it does not matter if the phone has 512mb or 1gb ram. if the 512mb performs better in real-life, that't the one customers are gonna prefer.

just a small advice, go to a store and use windows phone 7.5 for 10 mins, the last thing you will care is whether the phone has a single or a dual core.
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realy dude 5 months ago
Dude a review is not putting a compare on some site and reading the results. Plus, reading this feels like I'm talking to some cheep ass who doesn't understand quality just quantity. Nokia make 100 times better phones than Samsung
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  harish 5 months ago  in reply to Realy Dude
So true buddy :)
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harish 5 months ago
What an crap review!! it's one of the best phone available, iphone is so dumb compared to this.... Guess some one is paying you lumpsum, congrats..
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