Commercial Engineers and Body Builders IPO: Expensively priced

The company is a relatively new entrant in the railway wagon refurbishment business and could face intense competition from more well-established players. Dependence on Tata Motors presents a client concentration risk for its commercial vehicle business

Issue Details

Number of shares: 12.24 crore shares
Issue duration: 30th September-5th October
Issue Price: Rs125 - Rs127 per share
Face value: Rs10 per share
Minimum order quantity: 55 shares
Listing: BSE, NSE
Lead book running managers: ICICI Securities Ltd and Edelweiss Capital Ltd  


Its EPS for FY10 stood at Rs4.48 per share. The PE works out to 27.90 at the lower end and 28.34 at the higher end of the price band. The pricing looks steep.

Business model

Commercial Engineers and Body Builders Co Ltd (CEBBCO) is entering the capital market to raise Rs153 crore through a 100% book building issue. Private equity players New York Life Investment Management India Fund (FVCI) II LLC
(1,285,101 shares) and Commercial and Automobiles Pvt Ltd (243,486) will offload a total of 15,28,587 shares. 

The company produces vehicle and locomotive bodies for diverse applications for road and railways transportation. It also conducts refurbishment of railway wagons and manufactures components for railway wagons, coaches and locomotives.

The company has bagged orders for manufacturing different vehicle bodies from original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) such as VE Commercial Vehicles Ltd (a joint venture between the Volvo group of companies and Eicher Motors Ltd), Ashok Leyland Ltd, Asia MotorWorks Limited, Man Force Trucks Private Ltd and Hino Motors Sales India Private Ltd (belonging to the Toyota group of companies), all of which also manufacture fully-built vehicles. For FY2010 and FY2009, its net sales from the commercial vehicles division were Rs121.16 crore and Rs109.36 crore respectively. As of 15 July 2010, its order book in the commercial vehicles division was Rs525.53 crore and in the railways division was Rs98.15 crore. The company is promoted by Kailash Gupta and Ajay Gupta.

Financial snapshot

Its cash flows were in the red in FY10 and FY09 at Rs0.30 crore and Rs17.39 crore, respectively. 

Objects of the issue

The company plans to incur capital expenditure for the railway project at Gram Imlai in Jabalpur district at a cost of Rs80.30 crore. The combined wagon and EMU coach manufacturing facility will have a production capacity of approximately 1,200 wagons and 150 EMU coaches per annum. The total cost of the railway project is Rs130.30 crore which would be implemented in 2 phases. Phase-I of this project involves setting up the wagon manufacturing facility, while Phase-II of the project is for the EMU coach manufacturing facility. The funding will be through a mix of net proceeds, internal accruals and debt. It will prepay loans of Rs59.05 crore.

Analyst's take

Rating agency CRISIL has assigned an 'IPO Grade 2' to the issue indicating 'Below Average Fundamentals'. The report notes that CEBBCO is a relatively new entrant in this segment and could face stiff competition from existing incumbents in the refurbishment and wagon businesses. Post the commissioning of its wagon capacity, it would account for just around 4% of the total wagon capacity as of 2008-09. Its ability to bag orders remains contingent on how well the company is able to establish strong contacts within the Indian Railways. Organised players in the fabrications business as well as existing wagon manufacturers could easily cater to the Indian Railways' demand for both refurbishment and new wagons as the business is neither very capital intensive nor requires a long gestation period and orders are tender driven.


  •  Strong track record with reputed customers in the commercial vehicles industry
  •  Wide range of product applications and offerings
  •  Ability to continuously expand product offerings
  •  State-of-the-art technology and certifications for design, production standards and quality assurance
  •  Strategic geographic location
  • Competitive cost structure
  • Ability to compete effectively with the unorganised body builders


  •  Limited customer concentration

In FY 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010, it derived 56.32% (Rs28.24 crore), 86.36% (amounting to Rs82.59 crore), 73.91% (Rs88.11 crore), 69.23% (Rs77.57 crore) and 52.46% (Rs95.93 crore) respectively, of its net sales from Tata Motors Ltd.

In FY 2009 and FY 2010, it derived 2.39% (Rs2.67 crore) and 27.49% (Rs50.27 crore), respectively, of its net sales from the Indian Railways.

  •  Cyclical business

The commercial vehicles industry is cyclical in nature. A substantial part of its sales are realised during the second half of the financial year due to low demand in monsoons from mining and road-construction sectors.

  •  Competition

It faces competition in the commercial vehicles division from the unorganised sector.

Concluding notes

The IPO is expensively priced.



k a prasanna

6 years ago

The EPS for FY 10 on the post issue capital of Rs 55cr comes to Rs 3.45. At Rs 125 -127, the company is demanding a valuation of 37 PE, which is very expensive. The company’s net profit margins are inconsistent. CRISIL IPO grade 2/5, indicating below average fundamentals. The company had negative cash flow for FY 10.


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Why mediclaim portability will not work soon

While the principle of portability will definitely help policyholders, a number of issues need to be sorted out before it can see the light of day

Mediclaim portability, under which one can carry over one's 'no-claims' or 'low-claims' medical insurance record to any other provider, is not allowed currently. The issue surfaced once again after Insurance Regulatory and Development Authority (IRDA) chairman J Hari Narayan mentioned about the need for it yesterday at an insurance summit. However, according to industry experts, mediclaim portability will remain a distant dream, for a variety of reasons.

According to Dr Damien Marmion, chief executive, Max Bupa, the only way for portability to work is to have products with the same terms and conditions which also include a no-waiting period for pre-existing conditions. Besides, he feels that to deal with numerous complaints about health insurance, IRDA is thinking about portability as a quick-fix solution. "Instead of attacking the cause of the problem, IRDA is interested in addressing the symptoms," Dr Marmion said.

The CEO of Max Bupa also questioned how any insurance company with the current product portfolio could accept risk of policyholders switching from another company after paying premiums over the years and switching to a new insurer with no waiting period before raising claims. Moreover, the benefits from an insurer like Max Bupa can be more comprehensive than other company for the same sum assured, Dr Marmion told the media at the launch of its new product 'Family First Health Insurance Plan'.

Earlier, speaking at a CII insurance summit, Mr Narayan said, "It is high time that the insurance industry also moves to offer portability so that the mediclaim and motor insurance policyholders can switch their service providers. We have initiated a debate on the idea of portability and we would be arriving at a conclusion very soon."

Mediclaim portability is a great initiative for policyholders, but the ground reality will be complicated for its implementation. One major concern about mediclaim portability is its impact on increasing losses for insurers. Moneylife had reported about mediclaim portability and its issues in its 'Insurance Trends' column. (Please see:

Segar Sampathkumar, deputy general manager, New India Assurance Co Ltd, said, "In order to have portability, products by different insurers have to be aligned. There is already an initiative to have a common product which could then be portable across companies. Portability is indeed needed, so that a customer, especially at an older age, is not stuck with the present insurer, even if the service is not agreeable. But at the same time, we have to ensure that sufficient safeguards are instituted in the model so that no insurer could deliberately drive away elder persons out of his books. I am sure these issues would be addressed and resolved in the near future."

Only time will tell whether mediclaim portability is implemented or remains just a wish, like mobile-telephony portability, which was actually far simpler to implement and yet has not been done so far.



Deepak Khemani

6 years ago

For those who do not know mediclaim portability does exist among the PSU insurers, If you have a mediclaim policy with say New India Assurance and next year you want to switch over to say National Insurance and you have had no claim in that particular year then it is allowed, the companies are accepting the switchover request along with transfer of no claim bonus



In Reply to Deepak Khemani 6 years ago

Choice of insurers in the present state of governance , is like a choosing between a rock and a hard place.It is a non issue for which the Regulatory regime might not exercise needlessly.


6 years ago

With the present conditions, the portability is like a day dream or can be compared to be completely abolishing the corruption in the entire world. there are many things to be considered such as the product features and the premium, risk coverage apart from these the hospitals which has draculla kind of nature in squeezing the money from the insurers or from the clients. all these are to be aligned to one plot form.
Instead of thinking, planning about these things, the time and investment can be still invested in bringing awareness of Health insurance from the core level of the public by making more awareness programs, showing clippings in movies as the movies are the powerful media to reach the public. If the survey says that 60% of the Population is health insured, then IRDA can think of implementing these kind of activities. Otherwise it is waste of time, money and creating distrubance in between insurers and public as per my openion

samar mahapatra

6 years ago

Portability is not a core issue in health insurance that is caught up in the cross fire between hospitals and Insurers for cashless access.,and sidelined by the Insurance Regulator.

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