EVM s that are tamper proof is a challenge for our IT professionals. But first they should get approval from our Netas. India had shown remarkable voting skills though the literracy rate may not indicate such. Considering the past record if centre could ensure the safety of the ballots paper ballots in the past had proved their worth.
I am of the opinion that technology can do very little to prevent systemic frauds. There needs to be separate checks and balances to prevent that.
I am not against any review. However, there is a need to separate technology vulnerabilities and systemic vulnerabilities and address them separately. The way the problem is being articulated now confuses the issues.
If you can recall, even during the paper ballot days, there used to be allegations of booth capturing and ballot paper tampering - invalidating the ballot by stamping on multiple candidates. You cannot verify that by looking at the ballot papers. In western countries, such frauds surronding the ballot papers are rare. In India that allegation was all too common , especially in some states. Hence, I am not too sure going back to the paper ballot is the only solution. To overcome the limitation of not having hard copy, one can embed a thermal or punch card (easy to read) printer to record each vote count. However, any electro-mechanical device would reduce the reliability of the system as printers are prone to frequent failures.
Mister Ramadss and shivakumar..
Your cliam of ballot process is reasonably full proof cannot be accepted. Have you seen the hacking video and Hari Prasad lecture in IIT allimini. Please search in youtube. Democracy cannot be run on the anybodies mere assumption that its a full proof. Then why developed countries like Germany, Ireland, Netherland, Usa..etc have not gone towards EVM. Simple in the Europe election it was simply rigged it. 2004 california banned evm. Counties first take EVM as choice and they have left it. So its good to know the history of EVM first. I cannot believe that congress owned Maharastra and central govt cannot do anything to the machine. The chips are manufactured from hitachi and software is fused into the chip. So not even Election commission can verfiy the software. So if somebody changed the software with a trogen then nobody can detect it.
Also Hari Prasad shows way to temprorary and permanent changing of votes with Eprom and dual memory chips. He basically hacked in 30secs with LED display. Please take a look at those videos.
So in Germany they gave a court argument verdict that democracy cannot be run on trust. There needs to be verifiablility and Paper trail proof. The common people should be able to understand that there was some kind of hacking "when it was tampered". Here chips cannot be detected by common man. If balot paper were looted then there is a proof and here there is nothing. Also it takes effort to fraud a paper trail and here it would take BEL and ECIL employees or chips that is been generally carried from USA by an ordinary man to be tamper it.
So now that people have got a doubt, things cannot run through as usual. Also its baseless arugment and sentiment that its been produced by India. The main thing is DEMOCRACY and VOTING not the Patent of machines.
Also when EC calls people to prove that its tamperable then its not allowing to even touch the machine. Well if you argue that machines are kept in safe site I cannot believe the maharastra Commissioner who is guarding 1.3 million machines. Its a joke. Politician have 1000s of crores and history shows that IPS/IAS people have been bought for money.
So there are so many many ways of tampering things......
Shivakumar - Hariprasad went to EC office for showing the proof and when they were given the mahcine mister Chawla from election commission got panic as they recognized the architecture of machine. They were easily tamperable and so they sent them to home. Also sent them a criminal notice for intimidation. Basically everything is there in manual it seems which is available to study. So forget about IIT even Harward/MIT or any others have not come up with tamper proof machines. If you want your vote to go at a right place then you choose which method you want.
Also people must have choice whether they want to vote with Paper or EVM. My way would be through PAPER. You guys can choose your method and put the vote. So both choice must be given to citizens.
I think you have missed out my point. The issue is every political party complains only when it looses an election or does badly in an election, but does not say a word against the EVMs if it wins the election.
What is to be proved is not just that a machine can be hacked (almost every machine can be hacked), but in a given election hacking / rigging of EVMs has indeed taken place to the advantage of a particular party.
My point is, if a particular party is indulging in the rigging of EVMs thru hacking, then that party should win every election, which is not the case.
At the same time, EC should address all legitimate doubts and fears of independent Indian experts not connected with any political party.
The western nations do not require EVMs as the size of the electorate is managable and the ballot process is reasonably foolproof. The same cannot be said about Indian system.
Having said that, it does not hurt to subject EVMs to scrutiny. However, I am a little concerned about the process adopted and what is being claimed, which in a classical sense cannot be termed as hacking. Hacking typically refers to breaking into a system from outside - something like using random key sequeces or altering the voltages to change the recorded votes.
BTW, the EC claims that they did give them access to machine after the SC directive, but the teams could not conclusively prove their claims.
The truth is that we Indians can't give credit for any achievment to our fellow men unless some foreign University guy gives a nod. Just because US or UK are not using EVMs due to their own incompetence, should be we doubt our own system. Recall the mess the US system created during Bush's election.
I believe most of the machines can be hacked, but in the context of EVM, the issue is little different.
When certain parties loose elections then they immediately blame the EVMs and this applies to all the political parties without exception.
Otherwise how is it that BJP continues winning in Gujarat, MP and Raipur and sometime back evenadded Karnataka to its kitty.
In Maharashtra, Congress won by default because of the division of Saffron votes due to division in Sena.
Now we are witnessing the changing scenario in West Bengal. In the next elections if Left is thrown out, which looks very likely, then they will grumble that EVMs are to blame.
We Indians are argumentative, that is fine but let us not be willing to damage the credibility of our own Institutions without some solid grounds.
If Hari Prasad still believes that he has a solid case, he can file a PIL in the court and present his case. In the meantime, let us not make a mockery of our election process, which is hailed the world over.
I am not too convinced by the arguments of Hari Prasad. They have tried to create a confusion around hacking. Here, they opened the system, changed the circuit, or possibly replaced with a look alike system, and then demonstrated that the new machine can hoodwink people into believing they are genuine. Such changes would require a systemic support and cannot be termed hacking. They are akin to organized fraud. A simple integrity check to see if the system hardware is tampered could prevent even such remote possibilites.
BTW, the system that existed prior to EVM, the paper ballot, was much more fraudulant. People who worked as presiding officers with paper ballot would tell you harror stories around it.
Thanks very much for this thoughtful, well-written and nicely argued post. It seems wishful but the best result would be, as you say, if the Indian government and the Elecion Commission could only learn that bringing their critics into the fold would result in more trustworthy election equipment and processes.
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